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A guy in the audience raised his hand and said, ‘I saw you on Politically Incorrect, and you got real mad at some black lady because of something about some film director,’ ” he told The Onion in a rare (for them) serious interview that same year. “I said, ‘Yeah, it was [Elia] Kazan, and the subject was how he had been denied an award from a film critics’ group because he had been a rat for the House Un-American Activities Committee.’ He said, ‘What?’ I said, ‘HUAC! You know, HUAC?’ And he said, ‘What?’ So I had to spend half an hour explaining J. Parnell Thomas and the Hollywood Ten, and The Red Menace, and how High Noon was a protest film against the people who had ratted out others to the Committee and how On the Waterfront was Kazan’s apologia for being a narc and also how that had nothing to do with the McCarthy hearings seven years later. And this guy wasn’t an isolated case in that large gathering! They didn’t know who Elia Kazan was or what he had done that made him a pariah or who Strom Thurmond is or what a Hooverville was or why we were fighting in Korea or Wounded Knee or … hell, they barely knew Nixon. They knew McCarthy’s name but not what it was he’d done. Someone asked if he hadn’t done a good job ferreting out communists, and I said, ‘No! He never ferreted out anygoddambody! All he ever ferreted out was every bottle of booze in Congress!’ So when you’re dealing with people who know nothing, you find yourself suddenly turning into a fucking pedant instead of a storyteller. I have to educate them before I can use a trope or a reference.”224
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